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#75
Re:Hello I'm a new member 1 Year, 1 Month ago  
Just a thought...shall we start a group for 'Recognising GTPs' on facebook anyone??!
 
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Re:Hello I'm a new member 11 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Hello everyone
My story....
I emigrated to NZ last April with my husband and three children. We got in because my husband had a job offer. Before we left the UK we spoke with TeachNZ at immigration Fairs, no mention was made of any problems registering as a teacher in NZ. In fact as a high school science teacher, I was led to believe that I would be welcomed with open arms. Furthermore we visited NZ prior to submitting our papers and met the Head of Biology at one school who had done the GTP scheme - it had been recognised by NZQA when he came to NZ. So, having no idea of the problems I had to face, over we came.

I'll mention at this stage the situation on one hand does not look good, but I think there are some moves afoot, which may gather momentum. I can only suggest that those of us who have done the GTP scheme keep on writing to the Teachers' Council, the Ministry of Education and MPs. I have the full support of my MP, he is going to speak to the Minister of Education on my behalf. Not sure if I can mention his name on here, but I'll be happy to supply it.

OK, the full gruesome story then.......I did my GTP 5 years ago. I had been a teaching assistant, did my training - all told 1 year as a TA & 4 teaching. I taught biology, chemistry, physics and my degree is environmental science (NZ is crying out for teachers especially of chem, phys & env sc). I was in my second year as a Leading Professional in Science (having been observed by 4S, noted as an excellent teacher etc etc). I have an 'outstanding' tag from Ofsted & my school, a specialist science school, in Epsom, Surrey. In addition, the year before I left the UK, I went part-time & spent a year developing resources for our VLE (Moodle). I put resources on Moodle for all science courses from Y7 to Y11, including interactive quizzes, forums, mentoring assignments, science chat rooms etc. I have excellent references from the Ministry of Education, following a BECTA survey of the use of Web2.0 technologies in schools in the UK. I think you get the picture. Being an excellent teacher is not enough (apparently).

I was astonished when I arrived in NZ to hear that the GTP was not recognised. The Teachers' Council told me that I could apply for registration under Track 2 - you need to submit a package to them, detailing your past experience (any work that involves children), professional development, lesson observations and references. You have to meet a list of criteria called 'Fitness to teach' criteria and meet the 'Satisfactory teacher dimension'. So I spent 3 months collating this, going back a fair few years and contacting people who had cobwebs on them!

I waited for many weeks for the decision from the council, during which time they threatened to stop my application as it had gone on for so long. They are not the easiest people to deal with. I was declined because I was 'unsatisfactorily trained to teach', not having the necessary ACADEMIC qualification. This was why I had been rejected under Track One, so seemed rather ridiculous. Plus I had met all of the criteria they had asked me to meet, my former head teacher having signed it all off. Plus, I didn't see how they could even reach a conclusion on my training when they didn't look at any of it.

So I appealed....be prepared if you are going to do this....you have to go through the courts, hire a lawyer etc. I felt I had to do this to see if the Council would meet with me, or look at the training I did. (I had already offered to travel to Wellington, send in further evidence - they would not allow this & told me via my lawyer that I could reapply and put in my training material).

$2,000 later I have achieved nothing. To take it in front of a judge will cost many more thousands - just not an option. My lawyer in Blenheim argues that we have a good case, because the decision to not accept the GTP scheme is arbitrary. The TC says they are in line with international policy as it is not recognised in Australia or Scotland - unless anyone knows otherwise.

So I have spoken with my MP. Following the quite recent elections in NZ, his party (National) is now in government. He is on a select committee for Science and Education and is himself doing a masters degree in numeracy & literacy. He is going to write to the Minister of Education on my behalf and has said that he will speak with him personally. What we are asking for is that the Teachers' Council considers my case 'properly' AND that they look at the GTP scheme. I am waiting to hear what is happening.

Gosh, seems like I have gone on forever. You can apply for an LAT - this certificate allows you to teach in 1 school, in a specific subject, for a specific length of time in a job that the school has been unable to fill with a 'qualified' teacher. You get paid less (oh & paid less if you do get registered via Track 2). I do have one, but have only had three and half days work in the last 5 weeks (supply teaching at a school with 85 kids - Y1-Y13 -because I am living in the middle of nowhere!).

Now I did meet with the principal of a large school yesterday while I was doing some Moodle training and she is stunned. She has just been on a panel or other looking at the very serious problem of a lack of qualified teachers in NZ and is making some calls on my behalf. She also wants me to now take a whole staff meeting session on Moodle.

I have met a great many teachers over here, all of whom are astonished and very supportive. They all make the same cry - but we are desperate for good teachers. It is not the profession which is against us - actually they want good teachers desperately and will do anything to help us, I feel. So, it is NZQA (the qualifications authority) and the Teachers' Council that we need to deal with. As I said I am aware of 1 teacher who did get his qualification recognised by NZQA in 2003 / 2004. My husband saw him yesterday and he says that 5 of them, who had all done the GTP scheme, came over together and were all teaching in NZ). Naturally I will ask him for their details.

With the power of the internet, and being able to collaborate, we may get somewhere. I think Facebook is a great idea - can we share our details on this site?

Anyway do not let this put you off NZ. We have the most amazing life_style_ over here, if you can get over here, grab the opportunity with both hands. I've been milking cows, what a blast! I'm off to email the head teacher I met yesterday and I will make the point that there are a number of well-trained teachers who want to come to New Zealand, if the GTP scheme is recognised. I think we need the support of Head Teachers over here - difficult to find one to spend the time discussing your problem - I have only met two in a year.

All the best to everyone....don't give up, but let's rally.
 
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#84
Re:Hello I'm a new member 11 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Wow, what a story!!

An update. I have been given a Limited Authority to Teach. It's a good start as I am the first case in WA...So I can work with up to six schools over a 2 year period. Better than nothing.

I think it really does help contacting the Min of Ed, which is what I did, with all my documentation which went to WACOT in support of my application. My training provider and school I taught at wrote strong letters in support of me and I also wrote a detailed letter. The decision was made last week on the strength of my GTP and the teaching i have already completed - that's what I was told by the director of WACOT anyway.

This has not been easy and there have been lots of tears along the way, but I feel slowly but surely I am making progress.

The next step is actually finding a school who will take me on, so that the back of the LAT form can be completed and they can process my application once and for all and I WILL have a WACOT number...HORRRRAAAHHHHH!! I can finally apply for jobs.

The bit which is slightly insulting is that the school who decides to employ me will have to justify why they chose me over other 'suitably qualified teachers' and show what they will do to support and mentor me...COME ON!!!

There is light at the end of the tunnel, but we have to go high up to get any kind of level of support.

Good Luck everyone. In the meantime, if you're on facebook and want to join this group, pleeease do. Search for it on facebook 'Recognise the GTP teacher training in Australia and New Zealand!'

Thanks and best wishes
 
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#86
Re:Hello I'm a new member 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
Just read your story - very similar to mine, although I did not go down the lawyer route. My own story was posted on this website some time ago - a year or so. I also feel that the support for us GTP teachers from the various organisations in the UK is shocking. I was passed from pillar to post by GTC etc. Even Scotland are now asking for GTP trained teachers to have 5+ years of experience. I have pretty much given up (am in NZ) and will at some point pay $7k to retrain here. D'oh!
 
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#87
Re:Hello I'm a new member 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
Go for it!!! I'm in!
 
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#89
Re:Hello I'm a new member 8 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Update from NZ.

I spoke with the Manager of Teacher Education at the NZ Teachers' Council yesterday who told me that her director is currently in the UK looking at the GTP scheme.

While this is good news she feels that it may take 18-24 months before NZ has the processes in place whereby they can assess candidates individually. Plus the universities here will need to agree to offer papers to GTP trained teachers allowing them to 'top-up' their qualification,rather than having to retrain from scratch.

My gut feeling is that they are doing this as the GTP is now offered by some universities in England - the fact that a university is involved is very important to the kiwis as it is seen as being a more credible endorsement than that of a school - which is ridiculous, but that's the way it is. It may mean that you will be accepted in NZ in the future if you have done a GTP through a university. It may not help those of use who trained in a school.

Still.....it's a start.

Futhermore my MP is meeting another manager of the Teachers' Council next week to discuss the GTP scheme and my situation. My principal (head teacher) is fantastic and talks to the MP regularly telling him that she is desperate to offer me a permanent job (I am now teaching Maths and only a bit of Science - NZ is so short of Maths teachers this is proving to be a good move). I am letting my teaching speak for itself. Two schools are also paying me to train their staff in the use of Virtual Learning Environments - so as more and more teachers see my enthusiasm for teaching & learning and use of web2.0 technologies (which is SO FAR AHEAD OF TEACHERS IN NZ IT IS NOT TRUE), my case gets stronger and stronger. We have one IWB in our school and Nelson Boys' College - one of the top NZ schools has none. So departments are looking to me to train them up in the use of IWBs, interactive resources, virtual learning environments bla bla & the Teachers' Council is looking increasingly ridiculous for not registering me.

Anyway all I can say is keep on fighting people.........NZ is the most wonderful place to live.
 
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